The more you learn about psychotherapy research, the less it all seems to make sense. Dr. Alex Williams and Dr. John Sakaluk are working to change that by researching the research itself. We discuss two of their latest papers on empirically supported treatments and potentially harmful therapies. Which modalities can we be confident about? Which psychological interventions appear to cause harm? What do we know about EMDR and exposure therapy?

VBT in Focus is a series of sporadic episodes in which Carrie and Ben have the privilege of chatting with their favorite thinkers in the field of psychotherapy. Thank you for listening.

Introduction: 0:00 – 11:20

Part One: 11:20 – 1:58:20

Part Two: 1:58:20 – 2:00:00

Show Notes:

• APA Division 12 List of Empirically Supported Treatments

• The evidence for evidence-based therapy is not as clear as we thought

• Evaluating the evidential value of empirically supported psychological treatments (ESTs): A meta-scientific review

• Potentially harmful therapies: A meta-scientific review of evidential value

• Dr. Alex Williams: Twitter / Email: alexwilliams@ku.edu

• Dr. John Sakaluk: Twitter

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